Intimate Wellness with Lindy Klim

Felicity Cohen: Hello, I’m Felicity Cohen. I’m so excited to introduce you to my Wellness Warriors podcast. For over 20 years, I’ve been a passionate advocate for helping thousands of Australians find solutions to treating obesity and health-related complications through surgical intervention and holistic managed care.

My podcast is dedicated to all the people past, present, and future who has helped shape my journey and continue to inspire me to work consistently to achieve a healthier Australia in both adults and future generations. I hope you enjoy it. 

Welcome to the Wellness Warriors podcast. It’s my absolute pleasure to introduce you today to the very beautiful Lindy Klim. Meeting with me today from Bali and I’m here on the Gold Coast, it’s such a pleasure to have you with us Lindy and thank you for finding the time. 

Lindy Klim: Oh, thank you so much for having me. 

Felicity Cohen: So we actually had a scheduled time but you, unfortunately, had lost your voice and you’ve been through more than your fair share of COVID scares, what’s that been like for you? 

Lindy Klim: I’m still a bit croaky today, to be honest. So I hope that I don’t, I hope I don’t have a coughing fit, so excuse me if I do! But yeah, COVID in Bali has been interesting, everybody I know has had it multiple times and we just look at it as in, you know, it’s like the flu, are you going to get it more often?

Yeah, I think we first had COVID even before we even knew what COVID was, because Bali was actually getting 20,000 hours direct of people from direct from Wuhan a day. So there was at one point, my, my children’s school was only a half of capacity because everybody had this mystery illness, and then about two months later, everybody’s talking about COVID and we’re like a hundred per cent that’s what everybody had back then. So it’s been an interesting journey that’s for sure, but yeah, one we just have to live with now. 

Felicity Cohen: Has it impacted you in terms of being isolated from family and friends and less frequent travel back to Australia? 

Lindy Klim: One hundred percent just like the rest of the world. I mean, I do feel really fortunate that we could be in Bali and Bali was amazing, but the first year of COVID, we actually talked about it a lot now, and we think, “gosh, we actually just really enjoyed that first year.” The island was quiet, you know, we could get sort of cheap accommodation. I could go from one island to the next in my car was no traffic. It was really a beautiful time for us. I mean, obviously, for the locals, it was a struggling, damaging time for them, and we saw a lot of really bad situations and a lot of hunger and homeless people and things like that, so that was obviously not ideal and not enjoyable for the locals, but it was a really interesting thing to see the community really get together and rally behind these people with help as much as they can.

So, yeah, interesting times. So for family, and luckily I have some family here in Bali, but yeah, I only saw my grandmother I think last month for the first time in two and a half years. So it was quite sad that we haven’t seen her, but I think the world all over was the same. 

Felicity Cohen: Definitely, and what a wonderful thing to witness communities coming together to support each other in an hour of need. 

Lindy Klim: A hundred percent, it was amazing, I mean, I’ve never really been, or really involved in a community as such, I think because I’ve been so transient in my life and living, you know, part-time and Bali part-time Australia, I really didn’t get my teeth and my nails into being a part of a community like I had with, regarding COVID. So it was a really beautiful, humbling experience for the show. 

Felicity Cohen: Has tourism now started to assist in the recovery, and what are you seeing happen right now? 

Lindy Klim: My goodness, yes, Bali is well and truly back. It’s just taken me almost two hours to drop my children at school so the traffic situation is unbelievable. A lot of people are just coming to this one part of Bali, which is surprising. I mean Bali is quiet, it’s very small, but there are a lot of different areas to go to, but people are choosing the Canggu area, which is sort of where I live, to holiday which is making it, it’s great for locals, it’s great for tourism, but my life in the car is mayhem. I’m not really enjoying that as much, but it is fantastic to see people back and people enjoying Bali again. You know, there’s an interesting, we’ve got a lot of Russians that have moved to Bali, and they’ve kind of claimed it as their own. So it’s been an interesting thing to watch as the Australians come back because obviously, Australians think that Bali’s theirs and then the Russians now have claimed it. So yes, there’s been sort of interesting scenarios I’ve been watching.

Felicity Cohen: I guess I’ve actually got Bali to thank for my two spectacular children because I met my ex-husband, just because of a trip to Bali in my twenties and that actually took me to Paris, where I met my ex-husband and ended up in Australia and have two gorgeous children. So thanks to Bali for my beautiful children!

Lindy Klim: Originally? 

Felicity Cohen: Originally from Paris and I lived there for a few years.

Lindy Klim: Oh, there’s a big French community in Bali, huge! 

Felicity Cohen: The French absolutely love it for sure. So if we know you as this absolutely magnificent and beautiful iconic model, we’ve seen you as a brand ambassador, and as a catwalk model, many, many years before you moved and transitioned into so many different areas of business as an entrepreneur, and now we’re witnessing this magnificent new brand that you’ve launched, Fig Femme or Fig Femme I first thought it was going to be pronounced when I looked at it. In fact, Lindy, we had an event recently for our weight loss warriors, and we were lucky enough to give them all the vulva masks in their take-home bags, and you should have seen the rush for the bags! They couldn’t get there fast enough to get their hands on the mask. But I’m really, really fascinated to know for you, what was the catalyst that took you down this path, and why Fig Femme? 

Lindy Klim: Well, it’s interesting, I mean, I had Milk & Co, which was a skincare brand with my ex-husband, and we had a baby range. So skincare is sort of my background, now I had that him for 10 years, and when we divorced, he took that, the company and grew it with more, and I was sort of thinking, “wow, what am I going to do now?” I kind of, and I fell back into sort of modelling again and being an ambassador and that sort of thing that it’s always been, you know, in the back of my mind that I wanted to continue and to bring out another range myself.

Obviously having four children, and given birth naturally four times! I was really quite shocked the first time, 16 years ago when I had Stella, and the lack of post-birth care that there was available or wasn’t available, and I remember thinking that there has to be a better way, there has to be something sort of more chique. Not less intimidating. I don’t know if you’ve heard this story, but I was, I mean, lots of women this happened to, after they’ve given birth, I was given a frozen condom full of water to help with the swelling, and I was just so like, “oh my goodness, I’ve been through this whole ordeal and now I have to wear this ridiculous frozen condom in my underwear and feel really silly.”

So that’s sort of when this thought in my mind, you know, 15 years ago, sort of developed and thinking that there was a need out there for women and sort of intimate care, and obviously, you know, I was a big sort of user of like a femme wash and things like that, but I never really felt that they were directed towards me as a customer, they were always looking very clinical, a little bit embarrassing to buy. I wouldn’t sort of linger in that sort of category within like the pharmacy or whatever in case somebody saw me and the brands often, they had sort of peculiar names that just didn’t really resonate with me. So that’s sort of where Fig Femme was born.

Now it’s my mission to bring products out there for the world for women to feel comfortable buying and feel really proud to have in their bathroom cabinets, just alongside their La Mer or whatever skincare regime they’re using. 

Felicity Cohen: It’s so interesting because postpartum, you know, we’re taught about pelvic floor exercises and all these other areas of recovery and how to care for ourselves and restore good health in so many different aspects of what we’re dealing with.

But it’s not a conversation that I’ve ever heard people talking about their vulva and what is needed or is this something that we want to address with better healthcare? 

Lindy Klim: Yeah, exactly. I mean, it’s been fascinating the number of emails that we get. A lot of these women are actually going through menopause and I haven’t gone through that stage as yet, but even speaking to my mother about it and, you know, apparently the dryness that you get in menopause and things like that, and the vulva mask is just so nourishing and you really help in those situations, but then it’s also great for post-wax or after sex or after a skiing class or wanting to reconnect with yourself.

You know, especially after giving birth, it’s kind of nice to thank your body for what it’s done for you and reconnect with that part of your body, because even after giving birth and really don’t feel like that body belongs to you anymore, it’s kind of been given to this baby, and it does take some time for you to reconnect with yourself. 

Felicity Cohen: So women across all ages are definitely taking to this space and I feel that they’re feeling, there’s a feeling of empowerment around the conversation that it’s appropriate, that it’s relevant and it’s part of our overall healthcare, and something new that we can embrace it, and just watching everyone gets so excited to take your mask home and try it, I missed out on getting one, I was like, “what is the, all the excitement for?” they all loved it! And congratulations for already launching this as an international brand, because not only is it available in Australia it’s also available in the UK and in the US, I’m aware that it was taken up by Kourtney Kardashian’s Poosh, is that how you pronounce it? Must’ve been a huge, big win for you? 

Lindy Klim: It was a huge win, you know, it was very difficult launching a business like this in COVID. It’s a startup, so obviously I don’t have a huge budget, you know, I’m the only investor in it. So I’ve had to do things on a small scale and obviously not being able to travel as well, being literally stuck on an island, so launching the product itself was challenging. But then as soon as I managed to get Kourtney Kardashian, and it was only by chance and a lot of, you know, Instagramming messages and this and that sort of thing, it was only until when she sort of posted it when Kim actually posted it to begin with, that everybody in Australia, it was like, “oh my God, well, we need this as well.” it’s kind of that ripple effect, which was amazing. So yeah, I feel very fortunate that that happened, it’s amazing. 

Felicity Cohen: Amazing! As entrepreneurs, we’re often shaped or our futures are often shaped through our most significant and most powerful failures. What would you say is one of your biggest failures as an entrepreneur and what has it taught you that it’s helped you to really propel you into success now and well into the future we hope?

Lindy Klim: I’ve had a lot of failures and you know, I keep trying, and honestly I know myself very well now, and the business side, I find easy. I’m dyslexic, to begin with, so writing emails and all of those things, I find really, really difficult. One of my failures is that I trust people too much and I will rely on them to sort of carrying me through, and some of these people can even be quite close to me, but then knowing that my, you know, my dyslexia and that the things that I’m not good at, sometimes I can be taken advantage of. So I’ve really had to, going against everything that I know, which is to be so trusting and so open, and so I want everybody involved. I’ve really had to learn, especially with Fig Femme, to watch what I’m doing and to really make sure that the people that I’m trusting and have around me are actually there to support me, and not to damage me in any way. So having great sort of legal teams and making sure the company is set up structurally with, you know, the best legal advice and accountants and things to protect me, that’s where I sort of learned my lessons and made sure that that’s really important because as I said, business does not come naturally to me, and I don’t really understand those side of things, but to make sure that that is set up and that I am protected, then that is the most important thing, the most important lesson that I’ve learned.

Felicity Cohen: Playing to your strengths and surrounding yourself with all the other people who can support you, but I guess that collaboration and that trust is so vital for achieving success and that you’ve got people on your side that share your vision is so important. I love that you can shine a light on dyslexia and that you’re open and honest enough to share that with us because I really believe that there are so many more people who are ashamed of dyslexia in the community and don’t know actually how to deal with it. But, you know, we see some of our most successful entrepreneurs all over the world, I know Richard Branson for one has talked about dyslexia. What do you think we’re missing when it comes to teaching people how to overcome dyslexia? 

Lindy Klim: Yeah, it’s interesting. My daughter, Frankie, who’s almost 12 this month, has been diagnosed with dyslexia as well. You know, and apparently, it’s inherited from me, I obviously gave it to her and I had so much shame around that for a good while. I just felt so bad that I’ve given her this disability, you know, and it’s not terrible, and then, you know, luckily I’ve got an amazing therapist that I speak to regularly, like almost twice a month, and I had to spend a lot of time working with her and my thoughts and feelings around that and why I felt this shame, and I guess a lot of that pain from my own shame that I had for many years of feeling not good enough, or I wasn’t enough, or I couldn’t do it, or I was stupid, or I was, you know, all of these things, that I was kind of told as a child, I’m 44 this year, so dyslexia wasn’t a thing that I was in, you know, in school growing up with. I think the more I speak about it and the more I can see it in Frankie, and we discuss it all the time and it’s the little tricks and ways of getting them out of things. But I also know that dyslexic people have, like often, a special talent and I can see that in Frankie and I can see her special little talents, and she’s got often, you know, there are lots of them as well, it’s not just one. So, we call it her little gift, her little special things, something extra that she’s been given. But yeah, I think I do feel like a lot of people still don’t talk about it, still, hide it. I’ve just learned to be very upfront about it, and if I, I’ll just say straight off, “I’m sorry I can send you this text message or email copy, sorry about my spelling, I’m dyslexic”, and now I found ways of getting around it, and I’m fortunate to have an assistant here in Bali that writes all my emails and she’s writing in her second language because she’s Balinese. So she’s writing it in English so a lot of my emails actually sound kind of broken English anyway because she’s writing them, but at least she can spell and put a sentence together much better than I can! So, it is working out what sort of methods work for you and sort of little tricks that you can use and that’s sort of what I’m hoping that I can share with frankly along the way.

Felicity Cohen: It’s a really important subject to talk about and to have more of a conversation around and I know there are lots of different treatment modalities. I think there are these prism glasses out of the United States that are really helpful for unscrambling messages that really can support dyslexic kids. It’s so sad to see that some of these kids do feel disempowered and are often bullied because they don’t actually understand what their problem is. So, yeah, great to talk about. 

Lindy Klim: Yeah, I mean, I have definitely seen with Frankie the confidence drop, and you know, that’s because she’s got to the age where they all need to read out loud or there’s that sort of competition within her classroom of what level they’re on, and so her confidence really did drop at one point. And now I’m actually looking at moving schools because the new school that I want to send her to actually supports dyslexia. So, you know, it’s important to come across it early and then sort of make the change if you need to. 

Felicity Cohen: Fantastic! For you, what do you think are some of the biggest myths that we all believe when it comes to our intimate health?

Lindy Klim: Oh, there are so many different myths! I mean, I don’t know whether they’re myths or things that were just being told, but even launching the product, I was up against a lot of very kind of angry people. This topic kind of triggered them in some way, for whatever reason it was I’m not sure, but, yeah, a lot of people are very set in their ways and don’t want to ever have to have this conversation, or don’t want to have to ever think about their vulva or vaginas, and that’s fine, that is totally fine. But I think the world is changing and definitely with this new generation of kids, like I have a 16-year-old and all the conversations are, the number of times I’ve had to hear about her wanting to ‘free bleed’, I’m like, “what on earth is going on?”, but I’m happy that she’s open and I’m happy that they’re having these conversations.

Even at her old school, she used to go to the Green School here in Bali, which is a fully sustainable school, they have a vagina day. So having this kind of, you know, this new generation, it’s important to talk about these topics and it’s important that you know, women all over the world don’t feel embarrassed if there is a problem, they can talk to their girlfriends about it, and then work out that it is actually a medical problem, and then actually go and see a doctor, and it’s, you know, it’s just, they’re the kind of conversations that people need to start having. But unfortunately, I think too, there’s, around my age group as well, around 44, 50, there is a lot of women who are still very insecure about talking about that part of their body and that could be just their upbringing. But then usually around that time, they’re going to transition into menopause, so that’s probably when, you know, they want to talk to their friend or their best friend about the changes that are happening with their body instead of like a practitioner, which, you know, often these conversations can start first with a friend and then you can identify the problem and then you need to go and talk a specialist. 

Felicity Cohen: You grew up in Hobart, but you live in Bali now permanently and with your beautiful family, I understand there’s a really strong, personal connection to Bali, and that’s a big part of why you live there. Tell me all about what took you back to where your roots are and why to raise your family and live together as a family in Bali, why is that so important to you? 

Lindy Klim: Well, I’m half Balinese, and my dad and my mom met in the seventies here in Bali, my mom’s Australian. They decided to get married and then have me, and then I think the cultural gap was just too much for them. You know, my mom tried to move my dad back to Tasmania where we were pretty much the only Asian people within our community back in the seventies, and that was quite difficult for my dad, I think. So, they got divorced and then my dad came back to Bali and then, unfortunately, he passed away when Stella was born, the same week that she was born actually, so I didn’t really get to know him, and you know, just like many other Australians, Bali has always been a really important part of our travel, you know, destination, you know, with the kids, and the more I came here, the connection I had was just so strong that one day, 10 years ago, I was like, “okay, I’m moving, let’s move here, and this needs to be my life” and also at the time I had three children, but Rocco and Stella look very Balinese, and they’re also kind of being a little bit bullied at school in Australia at the time, I grew up with that, so I didn’t want that at all. And I thought I would move here, just so that they can have a sense of belonging. But interestingly enough, I then have Frankie who turned out completely blonde and completely white, and does not look Balinese at all! However, she doesn’t feel like the only white person here in Bali and seeing that Bali’s very multicultural there are people from all over the world, so it’s this big melting pot of colour and of cultures that I absolutely love. So, it’s our home and we absolutely love it, and as I said, I think Frankie’s probably even more Balinese than the others. Like, she loves the food, she speaks Bahasa, and it’s, yeah, it’s interesting to watch. 

Felicity Cohen: Must be a really different cultural environment to raise children in compared with raising them, living in Australia. What do you love most for your children raising them in Bali? 

Lindy Klim: Well, that’s the thing, it’s I, you know, the fact that they have friends from all over the world and they didn’t even ask where they’re from, it’s not an issue, we just know them by name. Though it’s not about what language you speak or where you’re from, and a lot of my children’s friends can’t even speak English very well, they all can communicate and they all get along really well. Like it’s not a thing, it doesn’t mean, you know, it’s sort of, it’s just really lovely to see, and I also loved the energy Bali has here. We often do ceremonies with my family and that spiritual side which all the children have inherited, and they all are very respectful to the Balinese cultures and traditions, and I think that’s really important and it’s really humbling, grounding for them to be able to be part of, it’s really special and I love seeing it. 

Felicity Cohen: It sounds like the real ultimate global village environment. 

Lindy Klim: It is, I mean, even in COVID it was because a lot of people left obviously, so the expat community. It was quite small. And having a 16-year-old who looks like she’s 23, was the best thing ever! She would go out and I’d always have somebody call me saying, “I’m just seeing Stella, I’ll send her home”. And now with the borders open, it’s like, it’s that village community sort of thing isn’t there as much, so yeah, I have to keep my eye on her more and more. 

Felicity Cohen: So the connection to self through our ancestry and our surroundings can be such a powerful element in our wellness. Have you found that living in Bali has changed how you perceive your own wellness? 

Lindy Klim: Yes, I am more spiritual than I’ve ever been. I think I don’t know whether that comes with age and wisdom or if it’s part of living here or because it’s your sort of daily practice, daily routine. Most people, you know, obviously if they come to Bali for their own eat, pray, love journey, and there is a lot of, I mean, we’re very fortunate to have so many kinds of different healers and different religions and different sort of alternative medicines, all of those sort of things, we have access to really easily and at a fraction of the price. So, I know I’m really fortunate to have those at my fingertips, but I think we’re also in this generation of knowledge and it’s very easy to get information these days. So, even when I’m in Australia and you’re working or whatever, and I don’t have access to, you know, my daily meditation guru or whatever, I can go online and download something or stay connected that way. So it is much easier for people to sort of feeling more connected within themselves, you know, with technology and things like that. So, yeah, very grateful for it. 

Felicity Cohen: What are some of the wellness practices that you engage in every day that are really important to you to live a healthy, and I guess, grounded lifestyle? 

Lindy Klim: Well, it’s so interesting because I don’t often talk about it and in Bali we all do, everybody has a healer, everybody has a meditation guru, and everybody has a yoga guru. So it’s a conversation that we all have here. But with my friends in the Western world, I don’t speak about it too often. I think it comes across, or they might think I come across as being too hippie or super woke or something. But I think people are changing their minds on that more and more. As I said before, as the information is getting out there into the world, so yeah, I should talk about it more and I shouldn’t be ashamed of the things that I do. Definitely, breath work is something that I’m a huge believer in, and it’s only something I’ve sort of got into in the last six months, and I also have got Stella who’s 16, into doing breath work as well. Which I think it’s just such an important tool to have, and she has that for the rest of her life. So whenever she’s in a stressful situation or is needing to calm herself, she can use her breath to do that. And it’s easy, you know, it’s with you and I can’t believe I’ve been walking around this planet for so many years not knowing how to breathe properly!  So it’s been definitely life-changing, and I also do a lot of acupuncture. I have an incredible guy here, so I see him probably a weekly thing, and as I mentioned before, I have a therapist in Melbourne that I face time with probably twice a month. So, it’s really important for me to make sure that I’m feeling really good within. So it’s one of my main things and exercise, of course, I’ve always exercised five times a week. 

Felicity Cohen: They’re all components that are really addressing holistic health and wellbeing and they’re not indulgences. I think that’s really important to kind of make clear that all of these things are important to keeping us healthy, well balanced. I feel that through COVID as well, we talked a lot more, even in Australia about breath work, meditation, online yoga, all of these things. I think we were exposed to so much more to support us in a way. 

Lindy Klim: Yeah, and I also think maybe in hindsight, maybe that’s what COVID was. Maybe it was that moment for us to all calm down and to just breathe and to just sort of just, you know, take a moment or maybe not two and a half years on it, but definitely to take a moment and to slow down, I think the message in there was for a lot of people to do that, so, yeah. 

Felicity Cohen: What are your non-negotiable wellness items? What’s in your bathroom cupboard that you absolutely can’t live without? 

Lindy Klim: Well of course Fig Femme and the wash, the foam I use daily. And to be honest, I’m not too, I don’t usually wear so much makeup these days as I’ve got older and it’s so hot in Bali, it just drips off my face anyway, but perfume! So I’ve worn the same perfume for about 15 years now, it’s called Portrait of A Lady by Frederic Malle, and it’s stunning, it’s my signature scent, and that is non-negotiable. Even in COVID I had run out and I had to have, luckily my husband actually had to get on a flight to Europe to sign some paperwork, so that was one thing that he had to make sure that he brought back in his luggage for me. Yeah, that’s about it. I’ve really had to go without a lot during COVID because being stuck on an island, we have to import a lot of things, which we can’t get. So at one point I was washing my face with just a bar of soap and we didn’t even have like normal shampoos and things like that, so I think there were even six months where the island had run out of conditioner so nobody conditioned their hair for six months! So, it really did bring us back to the basics and, you know, it was challenging, but also a good thing I think.

Felicity Cohen: All those little things that we take for granted are amazing. How do you balance all of what you do in your world with, you know, running your family and your successful business? How do you do that, what’s the thing that brings it all together and creates balance for you? 

Lindy Klim: Oh, do you know, I think I still haven’t found that trick, how to balance everything. I mean, every day is kind of a juggle of often, you know, at the end of the day, sometimes I’m sitting there with a big glass of red wine thinking, “oh my God, thank God I made it through this day”. It’s always a surprise to me that I have, but I think definitely a routine, making sure you know, we run a tight schedule and my newest thing that I’m trying to take on is not taking on too much. So not overreaching myself in situations, which I generally do as a person and then I feel resentful for it afterwards, and then I feel that nobody appreciates me and blah, blah, blah. So, my new thing that I’m trying to do is really, if I can’t do that particular thing on that day, then so be it. So really not overstretching myself and saying no a lot more than I’m used to, so it is challenging, but I’m getting there.

Felicity Cohen: I think two hours in traffic to take children to school would drive anybody to red wine!

Lindy Klim: I’m not doing the school pick-up! I make them get, it’s called Go-Jek here, it’s kind of like an Uber, so the afternoon traffic would be four hours in traffic so that’s one of the things that I have said, “right from now on you can get a Go-Jek or Uber home instead of me picking you up”.

Felicity Cohen: What do you wish you knew about wellness 10 years ago?

Lindy Klim: I wish I knew about breath work! I wish that I had come across it and, or I guess I knew it. I mean, my mom was super spiritual and I would say hippie, and I didn’t really take it seriously, but I wish I had, and I think that’s why I introduced Stella to breathwork at such a young age. She’s even looking at doing a course so she can be a teacher in that space. It’s just, yeah, it’s life-changing, and the fact that you can do it wherever you are, you don’t need any apparatus, you just need to be able to learn to breathe properly. It’s just incredible, so that’s one thing that I wish I really knew.

Felicity Cohen: Absolutely agree with you! Finally, our listeners, they’re all wellness warriors, and we all know that wellness is worth fighting for. Once you lose your health, you spend the rest of your life fighting to get it back, whether it’s physical or mental or spiritual health and something that’s always inspiring to learn is how others are going on their wellness journey.

So, my last question for you today, Lindy is, can you share with us a time when you were struggling with your wellness, and what did you do to fight for it or reclaim it? 

Lindy Klim: Absolutely! I have arthritis as well and crippling like so painful in my toes and in my joints that arthritis is often a sign of not letting go like your body is holding on to something, you know, energy-wise. So, you know, I mean, I’ve had this for so many years and it is painful and there are times where I had to go down the route of medication, which then, of course, you get other symptoms and dah, dah, dah. It’s just, it’s not nice, so I always really tried to, it sounds super wacky, but heal it myself. I know when I’m stressed and I know when I’m anxious, my arthritis flares up, so that’s when I bring in the breath work, I see an energy healer here in Bali, her names Shelly, and she will just, it’s the most painful thing I’m not going to lie, but she massages and pushes kind of energy where it needs to go to release it. And I will endure her pain and often screaming at times, but it’s just amazing, it really does help. But that’s also with you know, mentally as well, like I’ve, you know, COVID, it was really challenging and being away from my mom and my grandmother and my friends, you know, we’ve all had those sort of little mental dips of sadness and loneliness throughout COVID, so to use the same methods with breath work, and healers and my therapist has been really amazing, and it’s helped immensely, like, I wouldn’t talk to you about it today if it hadn’t have helped me, and I think why I’m probably more ready or more sort of easy to share with you about the breath work is because I have seen a change in my body, and I have seen the fact that once the energy has moved on so has the pain. 

So, until I think it’s one of those things until you see the results for yourself, then you’re not going to believe it, and fortunately, I’ve seen the results, so I’ll just keep on doing it. I know it works for me, so I’ll continue. 

Felicity Cohen: Thank you so much for sharing that with us and congratulations on your beautiful product range through Fig Femme, we’re all really excited to embrace these gorgeous products. It’s been an absolute pleasure having you on the Wellness Warriors podcast today Lindy, thank you so much for your time. 

Lindy Klim: Thank you, thanks so much for having me, talk soon.