Felicity Cohen: Hello, I’m Felicity Cohen. I’m so excited to introduce you to my Wellness Warriors Podcast. For over 20 years, I’ve been a passionate advocate for helping thousands of Australians find solutions to treating obesity and health related complications through surgical intervention and holistic managed care.

My podcast is dedicated to all the people past, present and future who has helped shape my journey and continue to inspire me to work consistently to achieve a healthier Australia in both adults and future generations. I hope you enjoy it.

Today it is my great pleasure to introduce a really beautiful patient who has been incredibly connected over the last 12 months to WeightLoss Solutions Australia and her story is nothing less than absolutely fabulous. Please welcome, Candice.

Candice Charles: Hi, thanks for having me.

Felicity Cohen: Hello. Thank you so much for coming along the podcast today. I really appreciate you coming along and taking the time.

Candice Charles: Super excited to be here.

Felicity Cohen: So I guess, first of all, let’s go back in time and talk about, you know, when you were growing up, what did, how did food play a part in your life and when did you actually see that start to become a problem for you?

Candice Charles: For me, I’d always been the bigger kid, especially in my family. My family was super fit. You know, they had the ability to pick up any sport and just naturally excel at it. For me, it was a little bit more difficult and a little bit more complicated. You know, being the overweight person in the family as well, is quite hard when you’ve got a family that is very outgoing, loves to be outdoors and active and exercising.

And that sort of continued all the way on through to high school. I was always the bigger girl school, in class. You know, having those social anxiety issues as well. And as I got older, it continued. Yeah, you know, I look for just the easiest option as work gets so complicated and you get so mentally tired, you know, you don’t have time.

You’re rushing to work in the morning at 6:00 AM. And the most convenient thing is what you’re after. And it was stop at McDonald’s, you know, get brekkie there in the morning. And then during the day, you know, because you are eating rubbish, you feel like rubbish. So you’re trying to constantly fuel your body and, you know, that relationship for me, was very dangerous.

I put on a lot of weight throughout those years. I neglected myself, while I’ve thrown myself into my job. You know, and those unhealthy relationships with food and eating, and not being mindful about myself, is something that I’ve dealt with for quite a long time.

But with the help of WLSA, I’m so happy, I’ve never been this happy, healthy, continuing to kick goals and really push myself beyond my expectations of what I can do thanks to, you know, the change in my body, just the little things, just make it so much better.

Felicity Cohen: What did that relationship look like with your family? I can’t even imagine what that would’ve looked like for you being, feeling as though you were quite different from everybody else in the family. That they were all thinner people, how did that play out with your relationship with your family, with your siblings and your parents?

Candice Charles: I must admit, I have a fantastic family. They are super supportive and they did they try and help you throughout the journey. They can see your struggle. But unfortunately no one can really help you achieve what you need to achieve.

You know, they were, they try and help me with dieting. So, you know, from such a young age, I remember I was always on a diet, always trying to change my habits, trying to, you know, and it was a struggle because it was, felt forced rather than something that I was really wanting to do.

And it was a miserable experience, you know. It wasn’t due to lack of support or anything. As I said, I had such a supportive family who only wanted the best for me. But I just was so down in myself, I don’t think I could accept that. You know, that I was ready for that journey at that time. I wasn’t, wasn’t really prepared for it.

So you continue to fail. And when you fail and you see people that are constantly excelling quite easily, it’s quite hard to sit there and try and put on that happy face and push yourself to do things. When you know it is hard and it’s difficult,

Felicity Cohen: It sounds quite disheartening.

Candice Charles: Yes.

Felicity Cohen: I’m really curious about how you kind of became attached to eating things like McDonald’s. Was there other junk foods that you would go to?

Candice Charles: There was. My brother actually used to joke with me. I know this sounds really horrible, but he used to call me a junk food junkie. I loved sugar. I was a massive sugar and because I was so tired all the time and lethargic, I would reach for sugar as that comfort. As that, you know, quick boost of energy that I felt I needed that would fuel my body to get me to the next stage or where I needed to be. And that’s, you know, really treacherous you sort of, and then you start to sort of shame eat as well, where you’re not comfortable in yourself and you feel bad that you can’t sit there and enjoy a meal with everyone.

You’ve kind of feel like you’ve got to hide it. And now you might sit in the car and eat something rather than actually being able to enjoy a meal and focus on the food and being mindful while eating it. It was more of like a guilt, relationship with food. And it was really, really horrible. Like when I look at it now, I’ve come a long way.

And, but yeah, you do, you sort of have that relationship with food as it’s your comforter.

Felicity Cohen: Do you feel as though it was a bit of an addictive behavior or cycle for you?

Candice Charles: Hundred percent, it was. And it just, I couldn’t get enough. Like, honestly it was, as I said, that sugar rush, you know, the endorphins in your brain.

Eating those foods you’d think that that’s making you happy. But it really isn’t, it’s, you know, feeding that, that level of failure and not feeling confident in yourself, and feeling the need to hide rather than actually being socially comfortable and being able to put yourself out there.

Felicity Cohen: I’ve heard it said that, that addiction to sugar is actually even far more addictive than addiction to cocaine, for example. So it becomes your drug. It’s your drug of choice and it’s driving obviously. There’s a response that you’re getting. Every time you go for that sugar fix that you’re getting that high, the highs and the lows, obviously that you deal with afterwards.

What were your foods of choice when it came to choosing sugary foods?

Candice Charles: Anything. Honestly, I did not discriminate, you know. It would be chocolate, like, and it wouldn’t, it’s not just chocolate bar, it would be a block of chocolate. It would be Coke. It would be, you know, an ice coffee, but not just, you know, an ice latte would be ice coffee with sugar syrups and hazelnut flavoring, or just anything to keep me feeling like I was, you know, had that energy or feeling good about myself, you know, just giving you those endorphin release.

You know, and as you said, you get that high and then it’s just a crash. And, you know, you sort of look at yourself and you think, “Oh my God, like, what am I doing to my body?”.

Why, you know, and then you start thinking, “Oh, am I actually worth it?”

Like, you know, and then you just keep feeding this addiction and just constantly, you know, trying to get that high back where you feel happy, you know, you would get to enjoy something and something goes off in your brain.

But you know, you’re not really happy that moment, soon fades.

Felicity Cohen: It’s a vicious cycle. And I think it’s really valuable to learn from you that you actually learnt through that, how to value your own self worth and looking at that as part of this picture of addiction. So, what did that addictive behavior look like?

And you clearly had the insight into yourself and what that looked like for you that you’ve reached that point in time where that addictive behavior needed to change.

Candice Charles: Yes, a hundred percent.

Felicity Cohen: I think it’s also fascinating looking at the types of foods that become addictive. You know, whether it’s the sugar, McDonald’s we know is highly addictive.

And what does that do for people on a regular basis? And it is dangerous. It’s fraught with danger. At what point in time did you say to yourself, I need to actually draw a line in the sand. I need to break this addiction and this behavior or relationship that I’ve got with poor food choices. How, and when did you make that choice?

Candice Charles: For me, I got to 139 kilos. Something I’m not proud of by any means. I was exhausted. The health issues were piling up, high blood pressure, sleep apnea, going to bed at night and having to wear a face mask to breathe is something that is not appealing at all. You know, it was just, my hormones were out, thyroid problems and it just contributed to a lot of things, you know, depression, social anxiety, because I wasn’t comfortable.

That’s not who I am or who I knew myself to be, and that’s not who I wanted to be. You know, I achieved a lot of things in my career. And I am a go getter.

But for me, I let myself go and one day I remember we went for a walk, just a simple stroll, you know, nothing intense in my breathing. I was struggling to breathe for such a short walk and, you know, I played sports when I was younger. Netball, softball, all these things, but you know, just a simple walk up the road was effort.

You know, that was something that I really, you know, that health scare for me was something’s got to change. This is not who I want to be, I’m worth more than that. And it’s time to invest in myself and actually make that change. And for me it was, you know, I sort of looked at a lot of options, as I said, I’ve tried every diet known to man.

And then I found WLSA. Strolled across, you know, I put my information in and I got a phone call from you guys so quickly, and you guys were so fast to act.

It was nice. I, you know, met with the team, the psychologist, the nurse dietitian, and they were there, they were supportive. They were ready to help me on this journey.

As much as I was ready. I was scared to take that step, you know. You sort of start to think to yourself, am I actually worth it? Is it worth investing? Can I afford this? And you know what? The best decision I’ve ever made in my life. I am so happy. I’ve changed my relationship with food. Thanks to the dietitians, helping educate, you know, on fueling your body and thanks to this surgery.

It’s so important to fuel your body with the right foods. And you notice the difference between when you’re not eating the protein or the correct foods, versus when you are. It’s, your life just changes. It’s such an incredible journey to be a part of. And I’m so happy that I did come across WLSA cause I couldn’t have done it without you guys.

Felicity Cohen: I think it’s pretty powerful to learn that you’re probably a reflection of, so, so many other people at age 34 or 33, you were suffering from a whole host of medical conditions that 33 year olds should not have to be exposed to, you know, thyroid conditions, sleep apnea, sleeping with a CPAP machine at 33 years of age.

That really shouldn’t happen. And unfortunately, these are the things that I see in patients every single day. And I think it’s really important to highlight that those are the things that we’re treating that can change the most significantly and the fastest and getting your off the CPAP machine, that must be so liberating.

Candice Charles: Oh, it’s so good not having to fill the water up every night and hook myself up and, you know, have tubes or when you try and roll over at night, you know, getting caught in your tubes and waking up, or it’s just so nice to be able to go to bed and just have a relaxing night’s sleep.

It doesn’t matter which way I toss or turn, I’m comfortable. I’m not getting caught up in these tubes or, you know, it’s just a relief. It’s incredible

Felicity Cohen: It is incredible.

And I think so important to talk about this because there are a lot of people out there with undiagnosed sleep apnoea, those who don’t sleep with CPAP machines and those who do.

I think it’s so valuable to learn that you can get off that machine. And it’s a very antisocial machine to sleep with it.

Candice Charles: It is horrible.

Felicity Cohen: At 33 years of age with a husband next to you, it’s probably the last thing on earth that you want to have.

Candice Charles: It’s not very appealing.

Felicity Cohen: It’s not the sexiest thing.

Candice Charles: Not romantic at all.

Felicity Cohen: Definitely not. So, I mean, congratulations for getting rid of that.

I think that’s so valuable to learn.

Candice Charles: Thank you.

Felicity Cohen: As far as having high blood pressure and other medical concerns, how do they all look now?

Candice Charles: Okay, so blood pressure’s gone completely. I was on the verge of having diabetes. All gone. My mental health is just so much better. The fact I don’t have the social anxieties.

I’m happy to go and if someone asks me to do something, I say, “yes”, I don’t say “no” anymore. I’m not sitting on the couch. I’m not hiding away. I’m comfortable to go out and do these things and achieve goals and, you know, things I never thought I would ever do.

Felicity Cohen: So actively living your life.

Candice Charles: Yes. A hundred percent.

Felicity Cohen: That’s an incredible transformation and something that I’m learning more and more about when I’m talking to people is how impactful this is over a 12 month period. It’s incredible when you’ve had a story and a history of multiple issues, whether it’s the social isolation, the anxiety and depression, all of the medical complications that you’ve dealt with for so many years and in the space of 12 months, you’ve completely turned that around.

Candice Charles: Yeah. I’m not the person I used to be. My mental strength is so much stronger. My physical strength is something you know, I couldn’t even tie my shoelaces properly. I’d have to get my husband to help me before, you know. Just the little things in life that you should be able to do and comfortable doing.

You know, that shouldn’t be a struggle and now they’re not, it’s incredible, you know, before, if someone would have said to me, “Oh, Candice, we’re going to go climb Mount Nathan”, I would just laugh, have fun guys. I actually did it. One of the girls I met through this journey, she said, would I be interested in doing it and I said, you know what, let’s do it.

And I tell you what it is, the last part of the journey up the Mount Warning, they call it Mount Warning for a reason, it’s a 400 metre like steep climb. You know, you’ve got metal rails that you’re pulling yourself up. There is no way I could have done that at 139 kilos, you know?

I did it. I got to the top, I got to see sit there and actually take in the views. It was just an incredible moment to think, “Oh my God, I did this. Who is this person?”.

You know, compared to, as I said, if you had asked me to even go for a walk, I’d be like, “Hah, I’ll drive, you know, I’ll meet you there”. But now I can do those things.

And I just can’t wait to keep ticking off goals and using my body to the, to the full extent it should be

Felicity Cohen: That’s an incredible sense of achievement, but I love the idea around, you know, consistently setting new goals for yourself and learning what your body is capable of and climbing Mount Warning, I know that is no mean feat, so congratulations.

Candice Charles: Thank you.

Felicity Cohen: That’s a huge effot.

I’m sure there were a few sore muscles the next day.

Candice Charles: Very sore, very sore.

Felicity Cohen: That’s so worthwhile.

Candice Charles: Oh, a hundred percent, a hundred percent just absolutely kicking goals and so happy to be doing those things.

Felicity Cohen: Tell us about some of the goals that you’re setting for yourself. What are the physical goals that you’re trying to achieve now?

Candice Charles: The next one for us, we’re going to do the 10km Gold Coast Marathon, and partake in the WLSA training team. So super excited about that. You know, 10kms is huge for us, to be able to push your body to that, from someone who couldn’t even walk to, you know, pushing yourself into a 10km. So I’m really excited for training and, and picking up that cardio side.

I’m also working on myself personally, so I’ve hit my goal. My first goal to get to 80 kilos from the 139. So I’ve got there. I’m super happy about that. And now it’s about changing my physique pretty much. I’m want to focus on strengthening my body.

My mind’s there, I just want to get my body stronger and, and that’s what I’m really looking forward to.

Felicity Cohen: Do you ever stop and think, “I’ve lost the body weight of a full person, one person”. And imagine what that means feels like. And we were talking about this just before we started the interview. You’ve actually lost in excess of my total body weight.

Candice Charles: I have, I’ve lost a Felicity.

Felicity Cohen: I mean, the idea for me that I meant this could be my body on your shoulders walking around all day. It’s huge

Candice Charles: It is. It’s incredible. The, I can’t explain the energy that you have now, not having to carry that extra person, you know, equivalent to, to, you know, 58 kilos for me.

I just, I don’t know how I used to function with that. You know, being tired, lethargic. Just not having energy to do anything, to actually be like, yes, let’s go out and, you know, yes, you can. Yes, let’s do this. You know, and the fact you can keep going all day. You don’t hit a peak in the afternoon and you’re like, alright, nap time, you know, you keep going, you’ve got that energy and it gets you through the day.

And you know, you still can go to the gym in the afternoon. You can still do these things and look after yourself rather than, you know, going home and sitting on a couch and being miserable. You’re out there actually enjoying life.

Felicity Cohen: Doing the things that you should be doing at age 34.

Candice Charles: A hundred percent.

Felicity Cohen: I should qualify that when you talk about the we in this conversation that you have a husband, beautiful husband, and that the two of you went on this journey together, had you surgery together on the same day.

Candice Charles: Yes, we did. Yeah, he’s doing incredibly. So proud, to be able to do this journey with him. We’ve gone through everything together, which, you know, we’ve been together 15 years, which is a very long time. And the fact that we’ve done it together, it’s nice to have someone who understands, and gets the journey as well.

We encourage each other, we push each other, which is so nice to have. And he’s absolutely smashing it at the moment. He is just, he’s gone from a man that, you know, we did a DEXA scan recently. He’s gone from someone who was, you know, 140 kilos down to, he’s got, I think it’s something like, 12% body fat, which is nothing.

He is all red, he’s in a scan. He shows up he’s muscle. You know, for an athlete, it’s 5% body fat and he’s sitting at 12%. So he’s just incredible. He’s so strong and he pushes me to help achieve my goals too. So it’s so nice to have that.

Felicity Cohen: What are the things that you think has changed most in your relationship together since having surgery and being lighter people, what’s changed for you?

Candice Charles: Energy. Us actually going out doors, we’re actually going and having a life. You know, we’re not too tired anymore. We’re not embarrassed. We’re not ashamed. We’re out there living our lives and experiencing new things together. You know, taking weekend drives, doing hikes, you know, just been out with and socializing with people.

These are things we missed in our lives for the fact that we just didn’t feel comfortable, you know? And for us, we’re doing those things now and we’re so excited, so excited.

Felicity Cohen: Beautiful. Can I ask, did you ever have anyone who gave you any negative feedback around having surgery? And if so, how did you deal with that?

Candice Charles: Look honestly, was really supportive. A lot of people are now aware that this surgery is out there or they know someone who has had it done. So it is quite a supportive community. And the people that sort of have that negative line towards you. I don’t feel they had our best interests at heart, in all honesty.

You know, they’re those toxic people who pretend they support you, but aren’t always really genuinely there to see you succeed. You know, and for me it’s sorta, it’s really helped me, me with my journey of, you know, accepting myself, and not valuing so much other people’s opinions and being comfortable in my own decisions.

And as I said, there’s so much support in this community. I have made great friends. And they get it, they understand we’ve all had those ups and downs throughout the journey you do in life, but there’s so much support out there. And without that support, you know, it’s amazing just to have people, like minded people who are out there achieving goals and feeling good about themselves. And that’s how people should be supporting each other, lifting each other up, and achieving things together and being happy for people around you who are achieving great goals.

Felicity Cohen: Definitely, surrounding yourself with the right people. I totally think that that’s the best way to do this. But you know, I think it’s also important to understand that not everybody is going to be a supporter and managing that conversation can be difficult and removing yourself from those toxic relationships, I think is probably the best way to deal with that.

Candice Charles: Definitely.

Felicity Cohen: So you’re 34 years of age now. You’re married to a beautiful man.

Candice Charles: I sure am.

Felicity Cohen: You’re thinking perhaps down the line that you might like to start a family.

Candice Charles: We are. So that was one of the main reasons my husband, Andrew and myself, decided to go down this journey, we’d purchase our first home. We were doing well. For us it’s it’s about IVF and going through IVF and for us to start that step, we wanted to make sure we were gonna give that opportunity, the best chance possible. And for us, you know, being a 139 kilos, we weren’t going to be the best parents we could be. We were not going to be the healthiest that we could be going forward and going through to that journey. So for us, it’s so important, you know, we’re at a place, we’re healthy, we’re eating great.

We’re exercising, you know, so that if we are lucky enough to conceive, then that way we will be able to keep up. We won’t have that fear of, “Oh my God. Oh, who’s going to chase the kid this time?”, or “I’m too tired. I’m too exhausted”.

Together we can do anything. You know, we’ve shown how far we’ve come and we’re ready for it. A hundred percent now. We had concerns and fears, as I said, with your health and things like that, but we are a hundred percent ready to take on this journey together. And I can’t wait. I can’t wait to see what the future holds for us.

Felicity Cohen: It’s limitless. So I love that. And yeah. I’ve seen so many patients over the years who have not been able to get onto IVF programs because they’ve needed to lose 50 kilos first, where it’s a female, who’s having more of the issues surrounding the fertility equation and many women also who have polycystic ovarian syndrome, endometriosis, and other medical conditions that impact their ability to conceive.

And, you know, I think the important thing is you’re going to be the healthiest incubator. To have, not just to, you know, to have a pregnancy that’s successful, but also to carry to full term and have a healthy baby at the end of it. And that’s what we’re looking for, which I think it’s one of my favorite stories.

When we see people go down that pathway and eventually start families. That’s really exciting to watch.

Candice Charles: I can’t wait. It is such an exciting, we’ve been together as I said for a very long time, we’ve wanted this for so long. So for us, it was important to get ourselves in check, to make sure that we could, you know, we were the best versions of ourselves.

So that we could be the best parents we possibly can. So thanks to WLSA. I can’t thank you guys enough. Without you guys, we wouldn’t have been so successful. We’ve had the support throughout the whole journey, not just at the start, and continue to support us no matter what it is, you know, if we’ve got questions around food or health or anything like that. You guys are there. We just pick up the phone and you guys are ready to help us no matter what it is or how minimal it is. There’s no question that you guys aren’t there for us for. So it’s so nice to be a part of WLSA team and absolutely love it.

Felicity Cohen: Well, that is absolutely our intention.

And we love the community that’s growing every day and that you’re now there to be a mentor to newcomers and that our patients can share and engage with others, I think is really important because as a patient coming into this, it’s a frightening and scary kind of step to take. And having someone who’s walked that path before them to really share and have that conversation can be the one thing that also makes a difference outside of having an amazing professional team of people.

So now that you’ve lost all this weight, your family have watched you struggle throughout your teenage years and as a young girl, how do they feel about your success now?

Candice Charles: So incredibly proud, you know. It’s so nice to see your family, they’re so relieved, you know, instead of having to worry about my health issues or you know, my exhaustion or, you know, it’s just nice. I actually get to enjoy moments with them. I’m, you know, so happy to have them and to be a part of it. My family is incredibly supportive of us, as I’ve said, and without them, you know, I can actually, as I said, sorry, I can actually go and do things with them now, whereas before, you know, I didn’t want to, I was miserable and now I am actually happy and I get to enjoy moments rather than, you know, shutting down and having those anxieties.

It’s great to be a part of that moment and be a part of the family.

Felicity Cohen: Brilliant. How has work changed for you?

Candice Charles: Incredibly, honestly, I don’t feel sluggish. I’m not tired anymore. I’m not drained. I can think clearly, like it’s just these little things that you don’t realize that you think that’s how you’re supposed to function.

It’s not. The difference between, you know, losing that amount of weight, and your health, it impacts massively. You know, as I said, mentally, you’re more awake. You’re aware you physically can keep up with these things now. You’re not sitting back and taking a backseat. You can actually take control of your life and push yourself to hit new goals and achieve new things.

And I’m so proud that I can do these things.

Felicity Cohen: Oh, I love your positivity. It’s just infectious. And it’s interesting to learn, you know, that mental clarity is something that you gain when you lose weight. Not just having the energy to perform better and to achieve more in every aspect of life, but having more mental clarity.

I think that’s a really a powerful statement to make.

Candice Charles: It is you don’t realize how much you suffer and miss out on. For me, I think the hardest thing is fear and letting that fear control your life. You know, taking that first step and getting in contact with you guys was the most important thing we ever did.

It was quite scary to take that first step. Cause you think, as I said, “Am I good enough? Am I worth this? Am I going to fail?”, and without, you know, with WLSA, you’ve got that support, you’re not alone. You’ve got people there who want you to succeed and it’s amazing what you can achieve and and how much better you’re feeling yourself.

And putting yourself out there, you’re just not the same person anymore, you know, mentally healthier, physically healthier. Just my whole life has turned around and improved, you know? I’m not the same person I was a year ago and I just can’t believe how much growth I’ve had in a year’s time.

Felicity Cohen: Amazing. You know, we know it’s a significant outlay and yes, you question yourself worth and am I worth this investment financially? How do you look at that now 12 months later?

Candice Charles: I wish I had it done it sooner. I wish I hadn’t waited. And, and as I said, had that fear or second guess myself worth because, you are worth it.

It’s an investment in yourself.

Felicity Cohen: A hundred percent.

Candice Charles: For us financially, we didn’t have the money right there, right then. We actually went through our super and WLSA helped us through that process and put us in contact with people who could help us with that. And best investment ever. Best investment is investing in yourself.

You can never waste money when you’re investing in yourself and ready to change your life.

Felicity Cohen: I couldn’t agree more. It’s actually fabulous having you on the podcast and hearing your story. I think it’s a really powerful story and I’m sure it’s going to resonate with so many people. And I can’t actually even begin to imagine how many 33 year old women are sitting out there in a similar situation, struggling with the struggles that you had at 33.

But think about where you are at, right now at 34. It’s pretty incredible. It’s so impressive. And congratulations to you.

Candice Charles: Thank you. Thank you so much. Honestly, as I said, I wish I had had done it sooner. I wish I didn’t put myself on the back burner. Do it. Don’t be afraid. Take control of your life and make a change.

It’s okay. It is scary, but you’ve got people there who are ready to support you throughout the journey. The community is great, people, the staff fantastic. You know, and people want to see you succeed. They’re there to support you through this journey and you can do it. You can.

Felicity Cohen: I agree.

Candice Charles: It’s time.

Felicity Cohen: Beautiful. I have a final question for you.

So the podcast is all about Wellness Warriors, and I’d just like to ask you in closing, what does wellness mean to you?

Candice Charles: For me, wellness is about being able to physically do things, to mentally be able to push yourself beyond. What do you think you can do. To push through those limitations. And I can, I am feeling so well in myself that I’m ready to take on challenges.

I’m not scared anymore. The old me had that fear and just couldn’t push past it. But with thanks to wellness and everything like that, I can push myself further than I ever have before. I’m feeling great. I feel happy. You know, and it’s sad to think that I had to wait till I was 34 years old to feel this way.

You know, everyone should be able to feel this way. So I’m very thankful.

Felicity Cohen: Couldn’t agree more. And it’s been lovely to have you on the podcast today. Thank you Candice for joining me. And I look forward to the next stage of the journey and maybe we’ll have another chat down the track and we can talk about where you’re headed next.

It’s been great having you here.

Candice Charles: Perfect. Thank you for having me. It’s been great.

Felicity Cohen: Thank you for joining the Wellness Warriors Podcast. It’s been a pleasure to have you online with us. If you enjoyed the series, please leave your review, subscribe and follow it. And we look forward to sharing many more stories with you in the future.